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Monday, October 11, 2004

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kimchipig

There are lots of reasons that the Dear Leader is still in charge. First, he is a brilliant politician. He knows exactly how to manipulate the democratically elected leaders around him into propping his regime up and none so better than South Korea.

Second, for all the dogma and propaganda that spews from the US administration, there is nothing in North Korea that would benefit America economically. America has never intervened anywhere it was not directly in its economic interest. All the talk about "removing dictators and installing democracy" is just talk; the world full of nasty thugs oppressing their people and the USA does nothing about that because there is nothing to their benefit in doing so. Syria and Congo immediately come to mind. Boukassa was one of the worst thugs in history and America supported his regieme for its entire span. Conversely, America is in Iraq for its oil rescources and Afghanistan for a gas pipeline. This is why the USA has planned the largest base complex outside the USA in Iraq. About 70% of the world's oil reserves are around the place. Hardly a coincidence, me thinks.

Finally, the Dear Leader can fight back. Most Americans cannot find North Korea on a map and would hardly welcome thousands of dead American soldiers in an attack on a place with no economic value. Nor would they care if hundreds of thousands of Korean civilians were killed. That is called "collateral damage."

MagnumPI

I think Eberstadt's book was right in a way - North Korea has collapsed... economically.

All the reports from defectors corroborate his book's conclusion that North Koreas industrial base has rusted to bits or been stolen piecemeal and sold for scrap metal by hungry workers. This is almost certainly true.

And North Korea's "economic reforms" are probably the result of the central government losing control as it moved into a starvation-racked "post-industrial" economy. As many defectors have pointed out, people started growing crops on their own private land, as well as ANY OTHER AVAILABLE LAND (ie, not their own). This is a big sin in communism because it defies the communist spirit of collective farming. The fact that North Korea's govt turned a blind eye to this and then later let all the petty capitalist shops, markets, etc sprout up is evidence that NK's "reforms" are probably just a recognition of the reality that the gov't cant shoot everyone in the country for trying not to starve.

I add to this, in my own opinion, that Kim Jong-il has NO LEGITIMACY to rule in North Korea because:
1) he's never done anything of note in his debauched life, while there are still cadres left alive who actually can claim to have fought the Japanese, Americans, etc.
2) his mishandling of the economy is totally evident to the people in NK.
3) he's had several (4-5?) close-call assasination attempts.

Kim Jong-Il and North Korea's communist system don't have much time left and THEY KNOW THIS. In order to survive, they need money. They can't produce money without giving up power. Where can they get money? From the outside world. The only reason Kim Jong Il is still running the place is that the other communist cadres have decided to wait and see if his nuclear blackmail will produce a billion dollar windfall. This is Kim Jong Il's ONLY possible claim to legitimacy - that he can craftily scare the USA, ROK, or Japan into paying North Korea billions.

If America and its allies REFUSE TO PAY, I really believe Kim Jong Il will be exposed as a total failure, he'll be killed and the country would probably collapse. (Unless of course, NK sells nuclear bombs, but I doubt theyd do this because it would risk nuclear annihilation from the USA).

jtb-in-texas

All of you are assuming KJI and his top brass are less unhinged than Hitler, Stalin, and/or Saddam...

IMHO, that's a bad assumption...

Alternate solution... Stephen Spielberg opens a new studio to make only films about KJI (Juche Studios?), hires all the DPRK leaders as "Executive Producers", sets them up on a ranch in Hollywood, on the condition that the rest of the country goes back to being just "Korea", governed by the ROK, and no reprisals are ever taken against former DPRK citizens for actions before Uni... You could give KJI the Nobel Prize by himself and make him a celeb overnight...

Heck, Hollywood as it is today would love it!!

lirelou

Kimchipig,

Me thinks you confuse Jean Bokassa of the former Central African Empire for Joseph Mobutu of Zaire (now once again one of the Congos). No, the Americans did not support Bokassa. That honour goes to the French, who finally removed him. Yes, those rotten Americans did support Mobutu for various reasons. And the subsequent history of that former Belgian colony should clarify why. And yes, those rotten Americans do not do anything unless they perceive it to be in their interests to do so, economic or otherwise. (Vietnam is a classic example of where perceived political interests were paramount, and the economic interests of small value.) But your comment on American casualties as a measuring rule for determining self-interest is totally correct. George W. did not invent this idea. Bismarck was said to always frame Germany's interests in the light of any potential armed conflict as: Is this worth the bones of one Pomeranian Grenadier?

If it was not, he did not act.A North Korea armed with nuclear weapons, capable of hitting the United States, might just pass the Pomeranian Grenadier bones test, or whatever its Texas equivalent happens to be.

Cameron Nelson

My comment is for the first report, on his "money shot" on why the DPRK although collapsed economically is still able to stand up. In Eberstadt's 1999 book he talks about the economic failures of North Korea and I agree with your point on how he did miss the political resiliance of the North Korean regime as I believe most scholars could not have predicted, especially, looking at the past of Kim Jong Il and questions of his ability to control North Korea after the Great Leaders death. My agreeance with you takes a turning point when you imply consistent aid from the U.S. government as well as the South Korean government. It is true that the DPRK has 'enjoyed' a trade deficit of over 1.2 billion dollars over the past 5 years, but to imply that a deplorable check from the Kim dae jung's south korean government and a hawkish bush policy towards north Korea propped up North Korea from 2000 on fails to take in considerations that you may not have found yet in Eberstadts and others research. You said that you hadn't finished reading his reports before posting, well maybe you ought to before you do next time. Also the mention of what Bureau 39 is was incomplete, it is far more than just funding of Kim Jong Il's DPRK court, it is the wing of the worker's party that controls licit and ILLICIT activities of the DPRK. As for the trade deficit, round it off to a billion. The DPRK counterfeits 15 million dollars of US currency a year with its special intaglio press, add that to its methamphetamine production which yields estimates of 500 million and then its heroin production, third in the world at 600 to 1 billion dollars a year and you have covered your trade deficit. Now I do believe that China does play a role of propping up the country, as do every SK tourist that visits Kumkangsan, the Kaesong project and other special economic zones, but to assume that it is a US government with such a harsh stance agains the US coupled with a south Korean tax payers is taking perhaps taking out of context what Eberstadts full story is and the full story of the DPRK.
thanks
Cameron Nelson

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